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		<title>By: Rob Clark</title>
		<link>http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2005/10/16/the-vagaries-of-youth/#comment-1101</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article on a topic which has always fascinated me. As regards the original example, though, Chris Casper and Ben Thornley both had their careers more or less ended by hideous injuries. Casper is now trying to make a name for himself as a manager, at Bury, while Thornley (who received substantial damages after suing Nicky Marker for the tackle which ruined his career) remains great friends with his colleagues from that 1992 United FA Youth Cup-winning side including having business interests with Gary Neville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article on a topic which has always fascinated me. As regards the original example, though, Chris Casper and Ben Thornley both had their careers more or less ended by hideous injuries. Casper is now trying to make a name for himself as a manager, at Bury, while Thornley (who received substantial damages after suing Nicky Marker for the tackle which ruined his career) remains great friends with his colleagues from that 1992 United FA Youth Cup-winning side including having business interests with Gary Neville.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Hylands</title>
		<link>http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2005/10/16/the-vagaries-of-youth/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Hylands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully you'll find a new striker amongst that lot and stop trying to poach our England international substitute strikers ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully you&#8217;ll find a new striker amongst that lot and stop trying to poach our England international substitute strikers <img src='http://stateofthegame.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2005/10/16/the-vagaries-of-youth/#comment-639</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liverpool 3-0 Manchester City

Promising result from the other night sees Liverpool going into the Second Leg of the FA Youth Cup Final in a commanding position.  Memories of Istanbul (and a mention of Boro's recent UEFA Cup exploits) are being used against us.  Here's hoping it doesn't ring true, it couldn't, could it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4908636.stm</description>
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<p>Promising result from the other night sees Liverpool going into the Second Leg of the FA Youth Cup Final in a commanding position.  Memories of Istanbul (and a mention of Boro&#8217;s recent UEFA Cup exploits) are being used against us.  Here&#8217;s hoping it doesn&#8217;t ring true, it couldn&#8217;t, could it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2005/10/16/the-vagaries-of-youth/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I'm a mite late in adding this little update on Liverpool's current Youth side and their reaching the FA Youth Cup final for the first time in a decade thanks to a penalty shoot-out semi-final victory over Southampton.

So is there a new Owen and Carragher (or even Thompson and Newby) among the current crop of Academy starlets.  We'll have to wait for the final against Man City (who defeated Newcastle in the other semi - another trophy goes begging) to see.  

Here's hoping!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m a mite late in adding this little update on Liverpool&#8217;s current Youth side and their reaching the FA Youth Cup final for the first time in a decade thanks to a penalty shoot-out semi-final victory over Southampton.</p>
<p>So is there a new Owen and Carragher (or even Thompson and Newby) among the current crop of Academy starlets.  We&#8217;ll have to wait for the final against Man City (who defeated Newcastle in the other semi - another trophy goes begging) to see.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping!</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer News &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</title>
		<link>http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2005/10/16/the-vagaries-of-youth/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Soccer News &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] State Of The Game Blog Archive The Vagaries of Youth  Linfield in September 1997 and he made an immediate impact, scoring over twenty goals in each of his first four seasons and picking up a number of honours, and a call-up to the Northern Ireland squad [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] State Of The Game Blog Archive The Vagaries of Youth  Linfield in September 1997 and he made an immediate impact, scoring over twenty goals in each of his first four seasons and picking up a number of honours, and a call-up to the Northern Ireland squad [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer News &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</title>
		<link>http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2005/10/16/the-vagaries-of-youth/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Soccer News &#187; Blog Archive &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] State Of The Game Blog Archive The Vagaries of Youth  each of his first four seasons and picking up a number of honours, and a call-up to the Northern Ireland squad in August 2000. Injuries have meant that Larmour s goalscoring totals have slowed in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] State Of The Game Blog Archive The Vagaries of Youth  each of his first four seasons and picking up a number of honours, and a call-up to the Northern Ireland squad in August 2000. Injuries have meant that Larmour s goalscoring totals have slowed in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin @ Mr. Green</title>
		<link>http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2005/10/16/the-vagaries-of-youth/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin @ Mr. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 07:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever happened to Andy Turner?

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article324964.ece

Whatever happened to Andy Turner? At 17, when he made his Tottenham Hotspur debut on the day the Premiership was launched, he had the world and the flying boots of one of the game's most terrifying tacklers at his feet. Then came injuries, disillusionment, a 21-strong list of clubs and his virtual disappearance from the football radar. 


*article continues...*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happened to Andy Turner?</p>
<p><a href="http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article324964.ece" rel="nofollow">http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article324964.ece</a></p>
<p>Whatever happened to Andy Turner? At 17, when he made his Tottenham Hotspur debut on the day the Premiership was launched, he had the world and the flying boots of one of the game&#8217;s most terrifying tacklers at his feet. Then came injuries, disillusionment, a 21-strong list of clubs and his virtual disappearance from the football radar. </p>
<p>*article continues&#8230;*</p>
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		<title>By: Hylo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hylo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, the main casualties of the post Bosman era seem to have been those British (and Irish) players who may have made a breakthrough in bygone years at the top level but have seen their development stifled due to their clubs preferring cheaper foreign "talent" to building a viable youth production line.

Seeing names such as Andy Turner and Darren Caskey (the latter of which was an England U20s captain) reminds me of some other young Spurs from their era who fell by the wayside like Danny Hill, Stuart Nethorcott, Chris Day and Steve Slade. Some of these boys were very highly rated but failed to turn that promise into a top level career and most spent their best years drifting about through club after club in the lower leagues. Obviously this isn't a totally new phenomonen(sp?) but I'm quite sure the foreign influx has contributed to worsening it and the effects will be felt in the domestic game for quite a while to come.

Spurs is maybe a bad example because we have always managed to keep a healthy amount of young homegrown talent coming through the ranks, with Ledley King being the latest England international example, but how many top clubs can say that these days? The A*senal batch of young players have all been poached from foreign sides and there is hardly a British player amongst them while the fabled Manchester United youth system seems to have built all of it's reputation on one exceptional batch of players who came through at the same time i.e. Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Gary Neville etc. but as JD says in the article, what happened to the rest and why have no more followed?

FIFA and UEFA have to look long and hard at the game worldwide and start to decide whether this eternal chase for sponsors' money and boom or bust player trading between clubs isn't destroying the very foundations the game has been built on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, the main casualties of the post Bosman era seem to have been those British (and Irish) players who may have made a breakthrough in bygone years at the top level but have seen their development stifled due to their clubs preferring cheaper foreign &#8220;talent&#8221; to building a viable youth production line.</p>
<p>Seeing names such as Andy Turner and Darren Caskey (the latter of which was an England U20s captain) reminds me of some other young Spurs from their era who fell by the wayside like Danny Hill, Stuart Nethorcott, Chris Day and Steve Slade. Some of these boys were very highly rated but failed to turn that promise into a top level career and most spent their best years drifting about through club after club in the lower leagues. Obviously this isn&#8217;t a totally new phenomonen(sp?) but I&#8217;m quite sure the foreign influx has contributed to worsening it and the effects will be felt in the domestic game for quite a while to come.</p>
<p>Spurs is maybe a bad example because we have always managed to keep a healthy amount of young homegrown talent coming through the ranks, with Ledley King being the latest England international example, but how many top clubs can say that these days? The A*senal batch of young players have all been poached from foreign sides and there is hardly a British player amongst them while the fabled Manchester United youth system seems to have built all of it&#8217;s reputation on one exceptional batch of players who came through at the same time i.e. Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Gary Neville etc. but as JD says in the article, what happened to the rest and why have no more followed?</p>
<p>FIFA and UEFA have to look long and hard at the game worldwide and start to decide whether this eternal chase for sponsors&#8217; money and boom or bust player trading between clubs isn&#8217;t destroying the very foundations the game has been built on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Green</title>
		<link>http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2005/10/16/the-vagaries-of-youth/#comment-7</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. Indeed I have fond memories with some of the names named in the article, being a Championship Manager addict, I used to analyse the reserve/youth team players, trying to uncover some hidden gems...

Having seen good young players like Andy Turner, Darren Caskey etc failed to make it at Spurs, it's extremely tough for a youth players, as talent alone might not be enough... 

I also couldn't help but wondering whether the days when the best of the Home Nations (plus Eire) would be a permanent fixture in the team sheets of the top clubs are gone forever. Some of the best Spurs in the past were from Scotland (D Mackay), N Ireland (D Blanchflower) and Wales (Mike England). The post-Bosman development has made it all but impossible for the youth players to breakthrough. 

The casaulty rate (or failure to turn pro) for youth players are always high.  But in this new age, it saddens me to see some of the major clubs brought in numerous young talents over the world, and dumped them after a couple of seasons. - it's unsurprising that Brazil has made it a law against "trafficking of young players". 

I do hope the FA and PFA will continue to work together to assist players who dropped out of the game, especially the young players, as they are the ones most vulnerable to life after football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. Indeed I have fond memories with some of the names named in the article, being a Championship Manager addict, I used to analyse the reserve/youth team players, trying to uncover some hidden gems&#8230;</p>
<p>Having seen good young players like Andy Turner, Darren Caskey etc failed to make it at Spurs, it&#8217;s extremely tough for a youth players, as talent alone might not be enough&#8230; </p>
<p>I also couldn&#8217;t help but wondering whether the days when the best of the Home Nations (plus Eire) would be a permanent fixture in the team sheets of the top clubs are gone forever. Some of the best Spurs in the past were from Scotland (D Mackay), N Ireland (D Blanchflower) and Wales (Mike England). The post-Bosman development has made it all but impossible for the youth players to breakthrough. </p>
<p>The casaulty rate (or failure to turn pro) for youth players are always high.  But in this new age, it saddens me to see some of the major clubs brought in numerous young talents over the world, and dumped them after a couple of seasons. - it&#8217;s unsurprising that Brazil has made it a law against &#8220;trafficking of young players&#8221;. </p>
<p>I do hope the FA and PFA will continue to work together to assist players who dropped out of the game, especially the young players, as they are the ones most vulnerable to life after football.</p>
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